What you need to know about Intralogistics Planning (Tobias Herwig, ipolog, Host of Fabrik der Zukunft Podcast)

Show notes

This episode of The Logistics Tribe is about the current state and future of intralogistics planning.

Our host Marco Prüglmeier sat down with Tobias Herwig. Tobias is part of the management team at ipolog, an intralogistics and production planning software company based in Germany. He’s also the host of “Fabrik der Zukunft”, a German speaking podcast about the factory of the future.

So both Marco and Tobias are intralogistics experts and in this episode they discussed the following topics:

  • Tobias's career and background in logistics inside of factories

  • ipolog, an intralogistics and production planning software company

  • The importance of visualization of data vs. the and importance and utility of using virtual reality for intralogistics planning

  • Does AI play an important role yet?

  • The challenge of collecting data

  • Integrating AGVs and AMRs into intralogistics simulations

  • How to integrate the virtual planning world with the real-world on the shop floor (digital twins vs. digital models)

  • Newest 3-D visualization technology at NVIDIA (Omniverse) and how Ipolog is planning to use it

  • Tobias's predictions for the future of logistics planning and logistics in general (automation, autonomous transports, integrated digital models, etc.)

  • Tobias's own podcast "Fabrik der Zukunft" (factory of the future)

  • And much more

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For more information on ipolog, visit: https://www.ipolog.ai/en/optimization-areas/logistics-planning/

To connect with Tobias, visit: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tobias-herwig/

For more information about Tobias's podcast "Fabrik der Zukunft", visit: https://podcast.fabrikderzukunft.com/

To connect with Marco Prüglmeier, host of the Logistics Tribe, visit: https://www.linkedin.com/in/prueglmeier/

To connect with Boris Felgendreher, host of the Logistics Tribe, visit: https://www.linkedin.com/in/borisfelgendreher/

To connect with Dana von der Heide, host of the Logistics Tribe, visit: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danavonderheide/

Show transcript

00:00:04: Hello and welcome to the logistics tribe I'm boss felgendreher founder of the logistics tribe in today's episode is hosted by Marco prüglmeier,

00:00:13: Michael sit down with two bios Herrick Tobias is part of the management team and I Pollock and intralogistics and production planning software company based in Germany.

00:00:23: He's also hosts our fabric there to comfort a german-speaking podcast about the factory of the future.

00:00:29: So both Marco and two buyers are intralogistics experts and in this episode they discussed the current state and future of intralogistics planning.

00:00:37: Quite an important and exciting topic enjoy,

00:00:39: hello Tobias welcome to the logistics tribe hello marker thanks to be here it's great to be part of your podcast today

00:00:49: yes yeah and you are actually a kind of a planning expert for me so what I would like to do is to talk a little bit about the planning of the future Logistics planning of the future but before we start into that.

00:01:05: Maybe you could give our audience a little overview on your person and and also your company ipolog.

00:01:14: Um so that they know.

00:01:16: Who they are listening to yeah right I like to give you some insights at the beginning so my name is Tobias Havoc I'm part of the management team of e Pollock so.

00:01:27: Um I must have started my career with assembly and Factory planning and,

00:01:33: lots of logistics planning so material flow optimization planning of completely new factories or optimization of the logistics in inside of.

00:01:44: Existing factories and.

00:01:46: Does Buster the start of my career and I had a lot of experiences and different companies all over the world so starting with small medium-sized Enterprises to the big corporates you you already know and.

00:02:01: It was a really great experience to seal all of these factories so.

00:02:07: If I talk about logistics my main background is logistics inside a factory so I think that's that's the first thing you need to know with this experience in the background my started at e Pollock.

00:02:20: So at this time you pull lock provides logistic planning,

00:02:25: and Factory planning services but they started to develop software called ipolog as well and together with the software I did some projects and I started to build up sales and marketing.

00:02:38: For the software and so this was the start mom or going into,

00:02:44: the management and now I'm responsible for all customer related stuff at e Pollock so starting with marketing going to sales and.

00:02:53: With all it service team as well.

00:02:55: Ipolog is a logistic planning software so not only look at stake but also assembly planning as part of the overall Factory planning.

00:03:05: So I'm really experienced in all these topics talking about data talking about simulation talking about digital 3D planning.

00:03:15: Of logistics so and that's yeah I mean I'm happy to talk about this topic with you today well thank you very much.

00:03:24: Yeah let's start with one special topic that I always have in mind when it comes to

00:03:31: Feud the future of logistics planning and that we are virtual reality is this something that you are already in with

00:03:41: with the Pollock or how do you see it yeah so,

00:03:46: I think a really important part is always whistle ization of data yeah so that means if you if you talk about planning it's a creative process and to.

00:03:56: Support is creative process you need to involve a lot of people say especially if you're talking about logistics planning so they just explaining.

00:04:06: It has a lot of different interfaces if we talk about production if you talk about

00:04:11: incoming Logistics involved Logistics if you talk about the overall Factory planning and so on so it means you need to have the communication of a lot of people and of course.

00:04:24: With the complete Hydra sheet so starting with your boss down to the shop floor and the best language we could have is visualization

00:04:32: so so that's reason why I think with all ization is really important if you talk about Lucas takes planning but I think it don't need to be we are

00:04:42: yeah so we are cooked helpful so if you talk about our software you Pollock it's just one click you have a five what you could.

00:04:51: Use for every we are viewer and a lot of our customers use this but that's not the really important part the more important part to have these 3. Is 3D data and to make it visible really easy yeah so for everyone.

00:05:05: And sometimes it's better to have desktop and to have a visualization then have no visualization.

00:05:11: But of course sometimes it's great to see you complete Factory with all ATVs and Tucker drains and so on in 3D inside a we are as so that's.

00:05:22: That's impressive yeah and I really like that approach because what you saying is that.

00:05:29: In some use cases it really makes sense and and you want to to have a 3D visualization of the environment that I could imagine that it's very helpful for the Nightside planning

00:05:43: for example yes you yeah if you got your.

00:05:46: Your shelves at the assembly side or at the assembly line and you have to actually decide does this.

00:05:56: Additional benefit there or not and so on so

00:05:59: there it could be a really helpful yes but the take one note because I know that there are some use cases to say okay let's start to put every box into the rag put the rack to this line side and see does it fit or not,

00:06:15: but with people Arc we have a completely out of approach,

00:06:17: yeah of clever algorithms in the background which do it completely automatically and with just one click you could have a look at it and we are.

00:06:25: So yeah of course it's perfect to plan us and we are a seem to be perfect but it's a lot of manual work it's easy to automate

00:06:34: yeah and so we are a small like a communication for us because we see

00:06:41: especially Des Hughes case it's much faster if you automate especially if you talk about changes in the for example production program or the line balancing we could automatically update a line set material

00:06:53: you could jump into we are or in your 3D application and see the these changes so

00:07:01: so it's actually even better and are you already using some kind of AI algorithms in the background or new neural networks or something like no right to do this planning or is it just that like like

00:07:16: standard planning task right now we don't use AI so it's always discussion does it help or not and to be honest.

00:07:25: Most cases it's a it's hard to get a data Mart not to get that about to get actual data.

00:07:32: And to link the downtown and so because we,

00:07:35: we often have lots of different data sources yeah often different ethical sheets yeah sometimes third-party systems and the biggest challenge at the beginning of the planning project is to bring this data together

00:07:48: 2:1 Digital model and.

00:07:52: It's not a question to have really high sophisticated a eyes to work with tostada it's more question to make this transparent and visible and usable for the worker

00:08:04: for the planner excuse me not to to have his creative process of Designing the new material flow.

00:08:11: Mmm-hmm so and those those planning algorithms that you have implemented in your software so they are giving you a suggestion after.

00:08:21: Planning or and and how it could be done and then the planner can bring in his creativity and change this this initial planning is that did I get that right,

00:08:34: yes it's always a question about the detailed use case so if you talk about the landscape material it's exactly like this yeah

00:08:42: how I make a suggestion for the placement of all the boxes of the placement of the wrecks,

00:08:48: so we take care of all the other facilities inside the factory.

00:08:53: And use this to create our 3D geometry and make numeric data so the number of boxes we need for this.

00:09:02: Um look Mystic workplace or for this assembly line or something like that we make this visible,

00:09:09: and after this it's not

00:09:12: fixed it's flexible so that the worker could the planner could use this data to manipulate it so he could directly jump into this model move the rack change the rack change the Box.

00:09:24: Move the box so so I think it's really important to to be the.

00:09:31: Did the chief of the planning and have to possibly to change his because we don't have all the necessary information inside our Digital model yeah so there could be some information.

00:09:43: Only in the night of the planet itself and you need to take care of this information okay I see and at anytime in the process I can basically.

00:09:54: Push the magic button and jump into VR and and see if this helps me more this this kind of you and Aunt is 3D View and if I don't want it I don't need it and then I just stay in my 2D.

00:10:09: Visualization pretty is normal with e Pollock and we have.

00:10:13: Lots of export functionality and one is that we could explore this in a format that you could use it in a VR visualization

00:10:21: okay if I'm thinking back when I was responsible for Logistics planning back at BMW some some years ago I remember that probably 70

00:10:34: percent maybe even more of the time that we used for planning was gathering all the data

00:10:41: to do actually the logistics planning job is it still that way or how does it look today Tobias.

00:10:50: Yeah it's a data is always a big question so right now if you do first project its.

00:10:59: You're the same work you need to collect the data yeah.

00:11:02: And we have really easy interfaces for example to import Excel sheets so you have a look easy quantity framework with all the parts.

00:11:11: You know we often have it in Excel you could import if it but with axial and it's fine yeah.

00:11:16: We have some tools to support this data collection and import process yeah but that's.

00:11:25: Always the beginning later on we have a lot of different interfaces like but apis where we could build direct interfaces to search party systems especially for the needs of our customers.

00:11:37: And that's always the target if we work together with our clients to have integrated software Solutions.

00:11:46: Together with all the other systems because you will have cut system for your layout planning for example you will have a Erp system.

00:11:57: There are other systems for for example planning of the optimization or some parts of the production and.

00:12:05: These need to be linked together and that's something which is possible but it will be hard to do this as a first step so you need to start slow.

00:12:14: First to add manually later on integrated.

00:12:18: Okay and if the data in the process changes which is always the case because the

00:12:25: now do the items that you are planning for our are actually changing so to Bill of material changes and so on then you have to do this to retrace this manually or is there

00:12:40: is there tool for it to keep on track yeah the first thing if you have this integrated interfaces you could do it automatically but.

00:12:50: The process inside at all software or inside the logistics planning depends on the changes so some changes.

00:12:57: Could be automatically involved into the planning so for example if there is an update in.

00:13:06: The number of Parts you need ya in the production that's something you could change and you could directly see the results to the numbers.

00:13:15: Of Taco trains hgvs or area do.

00:13:20: But perhaps there is a bigger change for example you need to part at a completely other position inside the factory then it could be that you need to do something manually for example if you have Target train routes

00:13:33: you need to reconfigure the route are you need to start our algorithm who

00:13:39: suggest a new route and okay so if you have an ATV.

00:13:44: That's flexible no problem yeah you could directly use this new position for the new part and recalculate everything and it's fine.

00:13:54: Okay and I one other question that I'm always being asked is.

00:14:02: How does the planning change with future of the future

00:14:11: yeah deployment of amr's like almost mobile transports so because those are not yeah ATVs anymore that follow always the same line they could actually

00:14:25: a drive to the right side or to the left side or find A New Path which is the advantage of the am are but how how do you plan that stuff in the future but what is your approach to that.

00:14:38: Are you thinking or do you have already something yes yes yes it's it's it was implemented really at the beginning of our functionality to simulate.

00:14:49: Hu we saw Ray Marcia so of course we could say there's fixed route so like a track a train yeah or you could say,

00:14:59: it's a direct transport like a forklift yeah and it,

00:15:03: always looks for the shortest of fastest way to achieve this Target location and that's another way of simulate factories right now because it's more more the future that you will have a Mars in and affection

00:15:16: of course the some specially special things you need to take care of ya because.

00:15:25: If we don't know all the power meters of reality so it's always a digital model so for example if there is a traffic jam or something like that because there is a worker at the this tweet and a mar,

00:15:39: reality will use a completely other way that's something we can simulate yeah but it's okay,

00:15:45: if you talk about the numbers of amr's you like to you you will need for the factory that's something we could simulate very easy.

00:15:52: Mmm but basically then you are building

00:15:57: blocks for different tasks that a mar is fulfilling like like for docking underneath a container or something it takes normally that and that amount of time and you get this and and that.

00:16:12: Variation on it and that's that

00:16:15: input for your simulation right but you're not really simulating the actual brain of the aymara yes now I'm driving to the right or to the left so that's not part of the simulation right

00:16:30: right not not so to explain a little bit how we work with simulation because it's really special people like is.

00:16:39: At First Look istic planning tool yeah or Planet platform so our first.

00:16:48: Focus is not to simulate a material flow it's more that you do the planning so you bring the data together you design the material flow so you have possibilities with a workflow designer to create all the different steps you have

00:17:03: decide which process to your needs which resources to you need and create these overall material flow

00:17:11: of course there are some parts we need to decide in the layout.

00:17:16: Design your transportation Network inside the factory and so on and with just one click you could simulate this.

00:17:26: In our software so you don't need to program anything any method or you need to write code yeah because based on,

00:17:36: the data in the background and of course we have a digital model of a name are ya the end where you could give some parameters to it

00:17:45: but based on our algorithms we created 3D simulation in the background and you could see it in 3D and you could see the results directly,

00:17:54: um based on the actual planning and if there's a change inside your plan or.

00:18:00: Inside the data you your update then you directly will see the results to their Digital model and to the simulation.

00:18:08: So that's the first important thing because it's completely different like the normal material flow simulation you know

00:18:14: yeah that's interesting because normally you would have to build it up separately yeah right to assimilate it and this is basically integrated in your planning tool and you using the planning parameter to simulate

00:18:28: to the logistics environment right yes right and that causes.

00:18:35: That you need only two days training to do LS it looks like playing with our software because it's that easy on the other hand it's really.

00:18:42: Really focused on these logistic planning use cases so we could simulate ATVs Tucker trains and forklifts and we could simulate the people.

00:18:52: So me and picking process or the worker inside a assembly line for example.

00:18:58: But it's everything we could simulator we can't simulate a Cobalt or a robot or.

00:19:04: We are not able to simulate the warehouse in detail so if you talk about automated Warehouse so that's only a black box for us.

00:19:12: But we're really focused and that's the reason why we could do it that.

00:19:18: Automatically so the planning and assimilation well integrated and if you're done taking a look at the simulation while running

00:19:27: could you do this also in VR is that also possible with this magic button that we were talking right now not so we working on on some ideas to make it a little bit more integrative.

00:19:39: So

00:19:41: Whoever really strong visualization right now but we plan to improve this and there are some really inspiring ideas to bring a lot of different data.

00:19:51: Real-time data as well

00:19:53: into our visualization a lot of new ideas there and and you actually mention now one

00:20:01: other very interesting topic and I can remember that also from my my past planning experience that it always

00:20:09: usually you always use the existing plan the existing real world data to start your planning right so

00:20:16: um you want to do this here you would like to go what's go what's going on on on the shop floor how do you see this integration of the planning world and the

00:20:29: to physical shop floor world how does this,

00:20:32: happen in the future or is it already there or how do you see that yeah so it's really important to.

00:20:41: Um connect the factory planning so the more strategic planning with the Daily Business.

00:20:49: So at the end you need to have a digital planning model who is really close to reality.

00:20:56: Some call it digital twin right yes but digital twin sometimes or for my side I will say that you two twin is always the real time data digital twin yeah and I'm.

00:21:09: If you're talking about the strategic planning you could say it's a planning digital twin but I like to say it's a digital model because it's.

00:21:19: It's like the digital twin of the factory but in the future yeah and to create such a.

00:21:29: Digital plan of the threat of planning It's always important to use the data you have right off your existing Factory so that could,

00:21:38: one part could be to use data out of your mes or Erp system as a numeric.

00:21:46: Databases for the factory planning on it look easy planning another thing is to have the 3D geometry

00:21:55: out of the real plant so in this case they're really smart companies like navis who have scanning trolleys or like a scanning backpack here you could walk or.

00:22:09: I moved this trolley through the factory and you'll have a really fast really accurate 3D model which helps to have a.

00:22:18: 3D model for for just folded Eucharistic planning afterwards or maybe in the future we can actually use the a.m. our data to create yes,

00:22:29: digital mapping of the of the factory right so

00:22:35: Darren some really great ideas because if you have the lighter sentence or you could use first this,

00:22:42: Delta is well to have an actual version of the the map or,

00:22:47: you have a map right now but 3D model is a little bit more complicated but you perhaps we could create this as well so from outside its.

00:22:56: Um we only need to have a 2d model to the logistics planning so all-important the gearstick.

00:23:03: 3D data we could create our own yeah for example the placement of all the racks and boxes and so on.

00:23:10: But of course it's nice to see the facilities around the logistics in 3D as well and not only 2D.

00:23:19: Okay coming back to the data point and actually the actual shop floor data to bias because this is also an interesting,

00:23:31: point

00:23:32: there are some companies out there specialized on that and getting Advantage out of this data I just want to mention solonius another Munich company I think they just raised 1 billion dollars I don't know I'm not sure if it's dollars or Euros but 1 billion at a valuation of 11 billion

00:23:56: and I was always wondering about that because.

00:24:01: We had always Logistics planning and in my former jobs we always had a hard time.

00:24:09: First of all getting the data but that is something that could be solved but even if we solve that everybody wanted to have the transparency and it was great to see

00:24:20: of what data you have and the different charts that you could get out of it and so on but we were really having a hard time getting.

00:24:28: Um turn back or getting some real money out of that data yeah so some real Improvement out of that data and.

00:24:42: That's why I'm always wondering about,

00:24:45: those kinds of valuations out there how do you see the data point do you got some experience in that in that direction or how do you see it.

00:25:01: You mean especially for talk about the shop floor data yeah and and getting Advantage out of the shop floor data.

00:25:10: Yeah so you probably see it more as an input data for the plan yes that's right yeah right so we do not work directly with the shop floor data of course we have a really

00:25:22: detailed model so you could start willingness to teach each phase of the planning and you could,

00:25:27: detailed this model down to the SOP of a new product or a completely new production so

00:25:36: that's the first great thing if you talk about e Pollock and our Digital model and.

00:25:42: Deaths that's the uni unique part you could use this model in operation as well so and in this.

00:25:52: Face of the planning so it's more technical planning tactical planning yeah so means to.

00:26:00: If you want to make small improvements if you want to have have changes like new production program or changes in the variance you like to produce inside and running Factory you could use Allen

00:26:13: digital twin and they would like this to to try out these changes in,

00:26:19: in the sandbox yeah to see the effects to the factory especially to the logistics.

00:26:26: And make right decisions.

00:26:29: Um for example you know you need to have more workers and some of y'all look istic areas or something like that yeah so that's something where we use this operational data to give a benefit.

00:26:43: To see the effects of the near food future yeah and of course if you use your model and daily basis in operations.

00:26:53: You always have accurate model if we talk about.

00:26:57: Future projects so if there are bigger changes on a more strategic level you could start directly on.

00:27:04: Really accurate Digital model to make these for example what about the next product we want to implement next year

00:27:13: how does it look like and then you have a perfect model of the reality right now you could make a scenario of the future and you're really fast and really close to the reality

00:27:23: and then understand that because if you are taking a look at the planning process you always have quite.

00:27:31: Big advantages because you can actually redesign the whole process right yes right but if you take a look at the running business on the shop floor

00:27:40: yeah you might be able to charge it to click it a little bit to the one side or to the other one or two get.

00:27:48: The high Runners Closer by an end zones there are some improvements but I just cannot imagine that,

00:27:56: improvements are that high that you can get it on the running shops where I would love to if somebody from solonius is I would absolutely episode yeah I would love to have an episode about that.

00:28:11: Now so that's correct if you have small changes it's always hard to achieve pick results and that's a great thing if we talk about the more strategic planning if we have bigger changes in the layout in the process or in the oval material flow.

00:28:26: It's really quite to achieve good results but if you implemented this material flow or this layout then you are really limited yeah and that's the reason why it is that.

00:28:38: Huge focus on the Luca stick planning process because it's.

00:28:44: In this process you have to possibility to design the factory in the best way to achieve the best results in a running Factory later on,

00:28:56: Tobias going a little bit more into the future stuff I know that you are working with a company that that I'm a real fan of which is NVIDIA

00:29:07: and actually a what you're working with two companies that I'm a fan of the other one is BMW right

00:29:16: but let's let's stick to the Nvidia part and when here.

00:29:21: Is bringing out a lot of really cool new stuff.

00:29:26: Um regarding 3D visualization and the latest

00:29:34: thinking was Omniverse and I think that's also something that you took a look at and what is your opinion and and what are you up with what can you tell us about

00:29:47: um to work with Nvidia yeah you're right we work together with Nvidia that's correct so we were featured.

00:29:55: At the keynote some some weeks ago that we are part of of the partners working together with only worse mmm-hmm girl that's that's something really great to be featured like this and.

00:30:10: Um of course for us it's really important to have.

00:30:16: A digital model who is really close to reality I told you and the other thing is that for us it's really important to have these interfaces to third-party systems to have a,

00:30:27: overall Digital model,

00:30:29: based on lots of different tools they need to work together and you need to have the data flow through all these different tools that we have really accurate data that we have really Echo actual data.

00:30:42: And that's reason only worse is really interesting for us because only worse gives the possibility to use.

00:30:51: The data together with other systems to exchange the data and to have real actual data inside our software.

00:31:01: So but it's not lie on not only one way it's both ways so we could get that out of the factory planning for example but we could also give our data

00:31:11: into into only words to for example visualize it but also use it in other systems.

00:31:18: And you could also change the data right so right yeah that's coming back to our initial

00:31:25: verts that we had on the on the we are planning so I could imagine the VR planner or the logistics planner in VR

00:31:36: moving some boxes around and then you could actually give back this data new data to the virtual plant in Omniverse

00:31:45: is that correct yes so it always depends.

00:31:53: Right now we we don't have this interaction in we are in Ipoh luck yeah so that's that's something we need to take care of but.

00:32:02: From the general General point of view it's corrected he could change the data inside our software move it and visualize it back into Omniverse.

00:32:12: So but it's not the question does it the plan a move this box or I grissom's yeah so that's not a question but it's the question is.

00:32:21: Is it possible to have this data in one.

00:32:28: And what platform where you could use the data and other tools as well so that's the important thing for us

00:32:34: and and there do you see this cooperation with Nvidia heading for you is this really now yeah a future project or is this coming too

00:32:46: Tui Pollock really soon or how do you see that,

00:32:51: yeah only wears itself is open Beta right now so.

00:32:57: I think only worth itself there they need to be a little bit of progress to to use it really in the factories worldwide but.

00:33:08: On our side we have a running.

00:33:10: Running worsened with off you pull like we're together with only words and we plan to bring it to First customers really soon

00:33:19: yeah it's not open to everyone right now and this could take some time so I don't like to promise anything for,

00:33:28: for all of our customers but we first customers we plan to to use it really fast yeah interest projects.

00:33:35: Okay cool very cool Tobias one question that I asked everybody of course in this podcast as I'm always looking into the future of logistics.

00:33:47: So I always ask everybody what is the future or how does the person see the future of logistics,

00:33:54: let's say if we take a look at 20 30 and Beyond,

00:34:01: but actually in your case I want to ask in addition to that how do you see the future of logistics planning in that time Horizon

00:34:10: um and I that that would be interesting for for me and for our audience of course yeah okay yes let's start with with the logistical total,

00:34:22: so I think we'll see a lot of Trends right now the logistics oh talking about,

00:34:29: more and more autonomous transports inside a factory and I think this will be a trend you can't stop anymore so the logistics itself will be more and more automated but more more autonomous as well.

00:34:43: And.

00:34:45: And of course that the will be I think that there will be a lot of jobs manual jobs as well but it will be.

00:34:54: Unless important part if you talk about the logistics inside a factory so I'm always have to focus of the logistic inside the factory.

00:35:05: So I think that's one part and important to this is that it need to be more flexible so.

00:35:13: And in the past we see.

00:35:16: That one had really flexible manual processes and on the other hand really unflexible automated processes like Converse systems or something like that through and that's something which is more more combined so you have to possibly to automate.

00:35:31: But to be flexible at the same time and that's the really new thing.

00:35:35: Together with the digitalization technology more and more intelligence inside the Automation and so on.

00:35:43: So I think that's the biggest Trend and if we talk about logistics planning of the future we will see that

00:35:53: it's more and more important to have integrated digital models yeah so if you talk for example about are ya.

00:36:03: The armor itself is really intelligent with all these AI algorithms for thumbs like that yeah but

00:36:12: to do the planning you need to integrate model you need to see how does this arm Works inside the whole Logistics environment and.

00:36:24: I think one part is to bring all this data together like we do it right now but to have more more standard interfaces yeah.

00:36:32: Like the ideas we have with only person yeah so more and more standards right now it's really unique every interface we have

00:36:40: for all our third-party systems because every customer really different tools,

00:36:46: and they use the two is really different and I think that's that's one important part to be to have more standard interfaces.

00:36:57: We have it if you talk about ATVs or are sweat now we talked about the the the the norm we have in Germany in the automotive industry.

00:37:07: So that's important for defect or logistic planning as well human the DVD a 50s 5015 right right.

00:37:15: Alright podcasting to by as I know that he you are doing a podcast yourself yes right in German in Germany and it's not.

00:37:26: Only about logistics it's about the factory actually right or what what how would you describe it and who are your guests in the podcast.

00:37:38: Yes I have two fabric that circles podcast so if you translate it will be the factory of the future podcast it's a German podcast.

00:37:49: Means most of my guests are german-speaking and yeah we always talk about the question how does the factory of the future look like.

00:38:00: So we have different perspectives if you talk about hurt you after future sometimes more technology focused but in most of the cases we talked about the different use cases we will see ya.

00:38:14: It's always a question about Production Technologies but also a linguistic Technologies so logistic is.

00:38:23: More more important part of defects you of the future I think because of the flexibility we do need to have an our factories and yeah it's really interesting to see all the different ways.

00:38:38: You could work on this Factory of the future because sometimes I have scientists yeah I have lots of plant managers for example inside my my podcast.

00:38:50: And Technology provide us as well,

00:38:54: and can you see any any trends for the factory of the future that that everybody is

00:39:01: heading for and and what was the the most interesting interview I mean besides besides the one we did about my new growth on the district's Innovations of course.

00:39:14: Yeah just this was the best episode ever yeah I highly recommend to episode.

00:39:23: Yeah you know what's unit in that look istic but it's in German but we will do an English one on the logistics.

00:39:30: Channel also I promise that when the English version of the book is coming out

00:39:37: okay perfect yeah now I think that especially if you talk about the logistics Community there are some really interesting podcasts so.

00:39:47: Podcast episodes.

00:39:50: One was together with motion liners and festo talking about the question how you could support,

00:39:57: um Lucas stick optimization together with tracking and an AI yeah so I think this could be interesting for your podcast as well.

00:40:08: And of course we had a podcast with ideal works yeah so the.

00:40:17: I am our company founded by BMW you know very well yeah so I think that's between us if ya with Jimmy Nassif so I think this could be interesting for the logistics Community as well.

00:40:31: Um but I will also have a podcast together with oculus so this could be interesting to see some some comparison but some totally different aspects.

00:40:42: So how they do the Fleet Management for example and how do they see the.

00:40:49: Motorola production of the future because we should talk about medulla production or Matrix or Flex cell there are lots of names for it,

00:40:58: but then you need really flexible material Flows at the end and that's always a big topic so how you could make the factory of the future more flexible

00:41:09: of course it need to be more efficient and also it needs to be green yeah so and to bring all this together it's a really tough job.

00:41:18: But together with ya clever clever people on the one hand and on the other hand smart technology could work.

00:41:27: And I understand that the more you go into the future after the factory of the future the more it gets into Logistics I love ya know it's.

00:41:41: I talked with a manager out of German automotive company and I.

00:41:48: I presented my vision of the factory of the future and he said at the end yeah ooh we need to call it a little bit different we need to mix it.

00:41:58: Mix the word assembly with Logistics so he said it in German so it's hard to translate but.

00:42:05: It's like you will say assembly cystic yeah so we're connecting the two words yeah because it's.

00:42:15: If you have that flexible comp.

00:42:18: Factories Logistics will be really deep implemented part of the production you can't separate it like you do it today there's the production there's Logistics area or something like that there's a

00:42:32: person who's responsible for the logistics there's a person who's responsible for the assembly line for example that something you won't see in the future like this

00:42:41: that's that's one of the biggest changes in the future and is sustainability also a topic in your podcast yeah of course so as I said

00:42:52: flexible efficient and green so this works together and you need sustainable.

00:43:01: Or in the best case your impact factories yeah so that's something you can't afford in my opinion

00:43:09: yeah there will be always a negative impact to the environment because if you build a building yeah it's negative for the environment but

00:43:19: um Del lots of ideas how you could do this in a way that it's yeah.

00:43:26: More more friendly to the environment and that's not it's a big topic of course we will talk about digitalization and

00:43:35: I'm more flexible Factory but overall it need to be more green you're right and even if Tesla is building a,

00:43:45: too real then you got some sustainability issues right yes and even if it's a factory for electric vehicles yeah

00:43:57: all right it was a pleasure talking to you Tobias I learned a lot thank you very much thanks for your time thanks for the possibility to be here

00:44:06: pant it's great to to have a more low key sticks Focus podcast like yours so thanks for the jump you do thank you bye bye

00:44:16: all right that was the logistics try podcast episode with Tobias Herrick from ipolog and public debt so comfort.

00:44:25: If you enjoyed Today's Show please consider dropping us a quick review on Apple podcast and make sure to subscribe to the podcast so you don't miss any of the future episodes,

00:44:34: after short summer break for the last couple of weeks we are now fully back to a normal schedule so watch out for another show next week I'm boss felgendreher until next time.

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